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Who Gets Mason's Votes?
So, any guesstimates on what percentage of Mason's votes go to Zimmer vs. Cammarano ???
What about the other low percentage candidates?
Scott
What about the other low percentage candidates?
Scott
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Permalink Reply by Nathan on -
Well, Mason was attempting a marriage of reformers w/ old-school Hobokenites. My guess is the reformers go to Zimmer and the old-schoolers to Cammarano. But I'm not sure how much of her vote was made up of each.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Kaplan on
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Here is a link to the breakdown of the votes last night by Ward and District -- this shows which parts of town Mason got her votes from.
http://hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2009muni.pdf
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Permalink Reply by khoboken on
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Interesting that in the third ward (Russo's home base) Mason got creamed. Either Beth was double corssed by the Russo clan or there really is nothing left to the Russo political machine
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Permalink Reply by Andy on
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Reformers to Zimmer, old school to cammarano. Everyone who voted for Zimmer or Beth agreed 100% that this election should be ANYONE but Cammarano. I hope Dawn keeps good on her word and reaches out to some of the Mason camp. I called it back in early March that the Dawn/Beth split would make it easy for Cammarano to make the run-off. Its sad that a 47% tax increase still doesn't motivate the town to get out and vote for change given such a low turnout. You wonder if Hoboken really wants change at all.
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Permalink Reply by db on
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There was no mason vote. there was a zimmer vote, and an anti russo vote, and a russo vote. russo vote likley to go to cammarano.
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Permalink Reply by Sven on
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It is probably not so easy to predict how the Mason votes will be split. One would hope, though, that those Mason voters who are pro change in Hoboken will acknowledge that change will not happen under a mayor Cammorano (no right-sizing of HPD/HFD, no reval, no union give-backs, etc.) and will thus vote for Dawn and her slate who have clearly articulated their intentions to tackle these problems.
Another important issue will be to wake up the dormant portion of the Hoboken citizenry who sat out the first round of this election cycle. How can they be motivated to vote in the runoff? I was quite surprised that even the 47% tax increase was not enough to wake up many of those who got hit by it.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Kaplan on
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The final count by district (including absentee ballots) is in.
http://blog.nj.com/hobokennow_impact/2009/05/Hoboken_May_2009_Elect...
I think one of the main keys will be where Beth's 2nd Ward vote goes in the runoff.
Also, I found it surprising that the First Ward was so close (and went to PC).
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Permalink Reply by Andy on
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I agree with you on the split Sven. My question is what will Dawn do to mend fences? I think alof of people who were reform but didn't vote for dawn the first go round are worried about her ability to get things done w/ out the interference of Lenz and other HCDO people. I for one don't want to just trade Roberts for another candidate who gets manipulated by the machine. If Dawn can step up and convince people she can make a difference then I think you'll see more of the disaffected voters come out and support her. My other worry for Dawn is that she spent most of her $$ making it into the run-off. I hope the grassroots movement will be enough to beat back Cammarano.
Sven said:It is probably not so easy to predict how the Mason votes will be split. One would hope, though, that those Mason voters who are pro change in Hoboken will acknowledge that change will not happen under a mayor Cammorano (no right-sizing of HPD/HFD, no reval, no union give-backs, etc.) and will thus vote for Dawn and her slate who have clearly articulated their intentions to tackle these problems.
Another important issue will be to wake up the dormant portion of the Hoboken citizenry who sat out the first round of this election cycle. How can they be motivated to vote in the runoff? I was quite surprised that even the 47% tax increase was not enough to wake up many of those who got hit by it.
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Permalink Reply by Tony Soares on -
Andy do you even know "Lenz"?
What's with this Mythical Mind Control Wizard Mike Lenz?
If you think because she's a woman she takes orders from outspoken men, than I think you are being a bit, shall I say sexist?
Andy said:I agree with you on the split Sven. My question is what will Dawn do to mend fences? I think alof of people who were reform but didn't vote for dawn the first go round are worried about her ability to get things done w/ out the interference of Lenz and other HCDO people. I for one don't want to just trade Roberts for another candidate who gets manipulated by the machine. If Dawn can step up and convince people she can make a difference then I think you'll see more of the disaffected voters come out and support her. My other worry for Dawn is that she spent most of her $$ making it into the run-off. I hope the grassroots movement will be enough to beat back Cammarano.
Sven said:It is probably not so easy to predict how the Mason votes will be split. One would hope, though, that those Mason voters who are pro change in Hoboken will acknowledge that change will not happen under a mayor Cammorano (no right-sizing of HPD/HFD, no reval, no union give-backs, etc.) and will thus vote for Dawn and her slate who have clearly articulated their intentions to tackle these problems.
Another important issue will be to wake up the dormant portion of the Hoboken citizenry who sat out the first round of this election cycle. How can they be motivated to vote in the runoff? I was quite surprised that even the 47% tax increase was not enough to wake up many of those who got hit by it.
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Permalink Reply by Andy on
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Tony, I am far from sexist but I am a realist. I didn't vote for Dawn the first time only because of her associations w/ people like you and Lenz. I voted for Beth so that puts me far from sexist. However I didn't vote for Beth's slate because I didn't believe in those people but I believed in Beth.
Now since you seem clear that you don't like dissenters from Zimmer unless they are particularly clear. I'll entertain you for now. Dawn didn't get my vote first time around because she was quoted as saying that she felt she couldn't get anything done from her council seat and the only logical move for her was to see if she could do better from the mayor's chair. She has no record of getting anything done and almost lost the run-off for her council seat only a few years ago. Speaking to people about stopping flooding is not the same as actually reducing flooding. I can speak to people all day long. So no I don't think she was able to deliver on one of her campaign issues which is why she did not win my vote. My decision as a voter was that if this was what she had to show as a record then how could she possibly get results from being mayor? I think alot of people seem to have forgotten to ask this question. In my OWN opinion, I am left with two very disappointing choices for mayor. Since I refuse to allow my town to be taken over by another Robert's administration I am stuck with a hard decision. I hope Dawn can prove to me and others who want to see action that she can get the job done and not just spin a different tale.
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Permalink Reply by David on
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Andy, clearly your post didn't say anything sexist. Tony shouldn't have said it. Sorry. I believe some on Mason's team alienated a lot of voters with their agressive stance, so lets all try to be polite.
In response to your concerns about Dawn. One you are worried that she doesn't have enough record of getting things done. Its hard to get things done in the minority. If you attend council meetings you'll see the effort the 'status quo' majority members put into shutting her down (and Cunningham). My Uncle was in a similar position in upstate NY and things did start to happen only after they had a game changing election. The Hoboken council is not a collegial atmosphere were fair comprimises are struck. Zimmer could yet prove ineffective, I'm just saying you can't use the council as evidence. Much better than Cammarano pulling in the wrong direction.
As far as Mike Lenz, everyone has supporters that rub people the wrong direction. From what I have seen, He is supporting her, not the otherway around. Dawn's her own person. Witness the widely panned vote on this year's budget, a vote I didn't like. If she was a pawn, she'd have voted 'no' but she went her own way. Cammarano will be much more in debt as he is taking lots of out of town aid (watch the next three weeks as it pours in) and his voting record shows he pays his debts.
Did this help?
Andy said:Tony, I am far from sexist but I am a realist. I didn't vote for Dawn the first time only because of her associations w/ people like you and Lenz. I voted for Beth so that puts me far from sexist. However I didn't vote for Beth's slate because I didn't believe in those people but I believed in Beth.
Now since you seem clear that you don't like dissenters from Zimmer unless they are particularly clear. I'll entertain you for now. Dawn didn't get my vote first time around because she was quoted as saying that she felt she couldn't get anything done from her council seat and the only logical move for her was to see if she could do better from the mayor's chair. She has no record of getting anything done and almost lost the run-off for her council seat only a few years ago. Speaking to people about stopping flooding is not the same as actually reducing flooding. I can speak to people all day long. So no I don't think she was able to deliver on one of her campaign issues which is why she did not win my vote. My decision as a voter was that if this was what she had to show as a record then how could she possibly get results from being mayor? I think alot of people seem to have forgotten to ask this question. In my OWN opinion, I am left with two very disappointing choices for mayor. Since I refuse to allow my town to be taken over by another Robert's administration I am stuck with a hard decision. I hope Dawn can prove to me and others who want to see action that she can get the job done and not just spin a different tale.
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