The Hoboken Tax Reform Coalition
9-0 Unanimous City Council Vote!
I just wanted to publicly thank the entire city council for tabling last nights vote. I am very impressed with the fact that the city council listened and agreed to hold additional public meetings to solicit additional feedback from the public.
This was a major step in the right direction and for that I say "THANK YOU".
Once these meetings are scheduled and we are properly notified about these meetings, I strongly urge all of us concerned residents to attend and voice our concerns. If we can all participate in the process and actually tell the administration what we really want (which is more open space) hopefully we can help them develop a better plan.
If we all work together, like we did last night, we can push for more open space and we can push to get this done NOW, instead of spending millions on legal battles and waiting years! We want these parks now not in the future.
If the town really wants the pool and rec center....let's have the city council and the mayor tell us what the financial cost will be yearly to run it and who is going to run it. The last thing we all need is a pool in town that no one wants to go to because it is not being properly maintained.
For the record....I would love to have a community pool and somewhere to swim. I just want it clean and maintained every day.
No office space...more open space!
We can do better.
Thank you.
David
Tags: city, council, edge, mayor, western, zimmer
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Permalink Reply by David A. Liebler on -
This issue of the calls seems to be your issue and your issue alone. What I was trying to say before was a "majority" meaning if 1% of the cities population even cares about the calls, then I will help to find out.
With all due respect, this seems like your issue and your issue alone and if that is the case, then fight the good fight for what you want and speak up like I have over the last several weeks. I do not know you and do not know where you are coming from.........
If this is really an issue and I am an issue orientated person, then I will gladly become involved.
You never answered my question about the cost of the Henkel site?
Do you know any details that you can share?
I would like to know more.
Thanks
David
robert randall said:David - I think you are missing something about the process. The Mayor is not proposing "restricting" the building height to 8 stories. She is INCREASING it to 8 story residential or mixed use from the 2 story industrial that is now permitted under current zoning. The trade off to the developers for the community center and other "give backs" is the significant upzone that represents. Similarly, the commercial use is an upzone from the industrial use which is currently the only permitted use.
When I say its a zero sum game, I am assuming based on the positions of both the city and the developers that the project as proposed by the city does not contain excess profit for the developer. That is one of the most important characteristics differentiating this plan from the Roberts plan, which was written by and for the developer. Since there is no big profit pool to draw on, any additional givebacks will have to be paid for by making the deal more profitable to the developer in some way. This can only be done by adding more residential density, something the "community" made clear it opposed at the last set of public hearings.
With respect to demanding disclosure of who is behind the pr campaign, why do you need an organized "plan" with a "majority decision?" Just get up at the first public hearing and demand that whoever is behind it identify themselves. That's what I plan to do. Will you join me? I think its a pretty good bet that the people behind it will be there so we can see if they man up and tell the truth.
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Permalink Reply by robert randall on -
David - your last reply is very disappointing. You have repeatedly called for more transparency yet you don't feel that the annonymous nature of these calls is an issue? Despite the fact that in your previous post you said you would like to know who was behind the calls and would call for disclosure as long as others did too? I can assure you that it is not "my issue and my issue only" but it is a pretty good litmus test as to the objectivity of people who purport to speak for the "community."
Don't you think that if the calls are sponsored by people with a financial stake in the project that is something people should know when they consider the objectivity of the information provided? If not, how do you square that with your belief in transparency in other areas?
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Permalink Reply by David A. Liebler on
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Sorry for your disappointment. Seems like nothing I do or say on this website is good enough.
All this misdirection of the topics makes me believe that Hoboken is made up of spinmeisters and not true activists.
You should be thanking me!!!!!!!
We were able to speak and voice our concerns about holding more meetings and thankfully the city council listened.
You are obviously a huge Zimmerman fan and will do everything you can to misdirect the conversation as to the Issues.
Mayor zimmers misdirection pr release about the heckle site is ridiculous. Where is all the information pertaining to this project? Don't just float this gradious idea of buying a huge piece of land for peanuts without telling us what else is going on!!!
Who is paying for the environmental cleanup?
What type of field would it be?
When would this deal be completed?
So little information?
Robert you do not answer my questions on this topic?
Your classic? Your are misdirecting off topic?
Be thankful that we have more meetings to discuss a plan. It took 5 years to get to this point, why did mayor Zimmer think that we were going to take 5mins to discuss? Come on!
I personally do not care if a developer or politician or anyone else made calls! I would like to see the results and all the questions. You trying to call me out on open and transparent is weak. Mayor zimmer should have published information on the website much earlier this week and last week etc.........your looking for calls? Ask yourself why the mayor and Brandi tried to rush the process????????
We now have more public meetings. Be thankful that the council did the right thing.
I must be honest how I feel.....sometime you guys need to stop drinking the cool aid. Our mayor maybe better in your minds then the past but you guys will drive off a cliff for her ... geez, look at both sides more!
Where is hobokenrevolts public outcry for less taxes? You feel good about 5percent this year huh?
I am not the enemy. I will not back down to anyone. I will continue to speak out more and more.
I am not Against the mayor, I just don't agree with her every time like some rubber stamp.
Not my personality.
So Robert, say what you want to me but understand when people don't answer my questions and misdirect conversations to other issues, I really do not respect.
Fight for the town, not the mayor.
David
robert randall said:David - your last reply is very disappointing. You have repeatedly called for more transparency yet you don't feel that the annonymous nature of these calls is an issue? Despite the fact that in your previous post you said you would like to know who was behind the calls and would call for disclosure as long as others did too? I can assure you that it is not "my issue and my issue only" but it is a pretty good litmus test as to the objectivity of people who purport to speak for the "community."
Don't you think that if the calls are sponsored by people with a financial stake in the project that is something people should know when they consider the objectivity of the information provided? If not, how do you square that with your belief in transparency in other areas?
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